Posts by cyberdyne systems 101

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Who else has trouble making friends?

by new light in

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haven't posted here in a while, but i"ve been out now almost three years.

just looking to hear from others who have had trouble making friends due to a childhood of jw antisocialism toward the real world.

it's really starting to piss me off that i still keep people at a distance and do things to nip any new friendships at the bud when it gets that far.

cyberdyne systems 101

I think this is a great topic to bring up so thank you for doing so. I too have had a long period of time without friends and its been hard going to survive the loneliness. I think when your going through the healing process of leaving the WTS, and your maybe being shunned by your former friends, its certainly an uphill struggle for a lot of us to adjust and even want to be proactive about it.

I have to say that i've made a few new friends quite recently, and its been really good. I dont mind telling them about my past. Some want to talk about it, others are not so interested or understanding, and as has been said it good to know people here for support. My feeling is you have to force yourself to take up and make oportunities that come your way. I too get that feeling of wanting to deny myself going out with people to remain in my comfort zone, but I figure I wont move on until I get involved. I have hobbies that i've neglected and have now re embraced and meet people that way. After all in a sense the meetings were a form of hobby - in that it was an interest that we had and went too and had friends through. So finding another thing to be involved in and be where people are at is the key to forming friendships. I wish everyone the best at making their new friends.

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How will Aust. Religious Vilification Laws Affect JWs? (& Tract Campaign)

by misspeaches in

a non fluff topic is unusual for me but this one has me wondering.... currently some states and territories in australia are disussing introducing a new bill/law (?

) regarding religious & racial vilification.

its hard for me to describe the bill but this link might help: http://www.acl.org.au/pdfs/load_pdf_public.pdf?pdf_id=661&from=#search=%22religious%20vilification%20bill%22.

cyberdyne systems 101

I'm all for keeping as many freedoms as we can, we dont want to legislate on everything a person can say. Obviously there are times where some things are intollerable, but if they (the dubies) got stopped for saying things, by extension could we freely talk about the dubs in the same manor?

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I'm being hunted by an elder - would this work?

by serendipity in

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this week elder z shows up at my house twice, unexpectedly.

the first time i didn't see him, but my daughter did and didn't answer the door.

the next time i decided not to answer the door since i didn't feel like talking to him.

cyberdyne systems 101

Chances are with his busy schedule (especially at the meeting) he may not even mention anything. I remember a mate of mine and his marriage was failing and an Elder asked him in front of the whole group if his wife was ok (she had not attended for months) he simply replied 'yes she's fine' , I think this approach threw the Elder off balance, I mean what do you say next to that reply unless your a kamikaze person who wants to out all the potencially sorded details in front of everyone?

Again using that approach, if he came up to you and mentioned about coming round you can simply reply 'yes I know I was in'. They only have power and authority over us because we give that to them, as soon as we stop doing that, it melts away.

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Matt 22:23-30--no sex for resurrected ones?

by M.J. in

the wts promotes the idea that in the "new system" members of the great crowd, who are not resurrected, will be able to marry and have children.. but what about those that are resurrected?.

does the wts apply matt 22:23-30 to people resurrected on earth?

(the passage is obviously applied to people who were pre-new covenant).

cyberdyne systems 101

A very good thread - this place is amazing! How they have screwed up the scriptures in order to make them fit the doctrine rather than let the Bible speak for itself. This so obviously refers to those resurected to heaven, the whole concept of trying to give it an earthly application is so utterly flawed. Like many of you here I saw this and it was a moment of doubt, add up all those moments and eventualy something gives, it might take years but it is possible that many more dubs will retain enough thinking ability to see the truth.

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Did anyone else wonder why?

by Jerohobobonadad in

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i always thought that if you want to do 6 or 60 hours a month in field service, why make a big fanfare about it and become a pioneer or whatever?

i always thought if you want to go out loads, then go out loads; why do you need a group of "elders" to approve of it and make an announcement?

i've read about a few on this board who got turned down for pioneering.

cyberdyne systems 101

I only auxilary pioneered a few times so not sure i'm that qualified to answer, but (lol) i'd say its another form of control, you are so right there is no reason why anyone could not do as many or as few hours as they pleased, but introduce a 'priveledge' governed by the society and local Elders and you have another tool. You can claim that pioneering is a better 'career' than the world has to offer, you have to be approved and so on. Of course its not biblical to place a title or amount of preaching hours on anyone but as we know the WTS loves to add to its members burden.

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If people should thank Him for the good why not blame Him for the bad

by loosie in

ok the thread on thanking jehovah for keepping a purse safe while left in a shopping cart, got me to thinking.. if we are suppossed to thank god for the good things in life, why is it wrong to blame him for the bad things?.

now i am not saying i blame god for anything.

so please don't comment on this thread saying i am bad person for asking this question, because i don't buy that.. i am just asking why does he only get the praise and none of the blame?.

cyberdyne systems 101

In the lyrics of Nerina Pallot: 'If God's on our side, God is a joker, asleep on the job, his children fall over'

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Jw-Media.org - What is the point???

by drew sagan in

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when looking at this webpage i have allways been shocked by the lack of information that jws release about themselves.

one of the most striking things this year was that they (to my knowledge) never made an official release about the death of dan sydlick, but they have made releases about other members who have died in the past.

i think this follows along with my theory that broolkyn just dons't have it all togeather, and i don't think they ever really did.

cyberdyne systems 101

You raise an interesting point, I guess I always thought they would be pretty good at what they did. I do remember a book study and some subtle changes were pointed out by some who had earlier books (dont remember the publication now) I was surprised at the time being a child, thinking they cant make mistakes - now i realise it was an unanounced update. Someone here pointed out recently that they still have information refering to the generation teaching - and how long has that been changed! Your right they are sloppy.

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striking similarities to the pharisees?

by chuckyy in

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is it just me or do jw elders seem to parallel the pharisses of christs day?

certainly, the excessive laws (written and oral), are a heavy burden for all jws, impossible to keep, leading to feelings of guilt.

the elders enforce these laws , and, just like the pharisees of christs day, render these laws as having greater importance than mercy/love.

cyberdyne systems 101

This was one of the earliest area's that began my exit of the JW's. I couldn't understand the condemnation from the platform of the Pharisees and yet the next minute we were being told what to wear, where to sit, how to be groomed, how many hours we should do etc etc

As for the guilt - yes it became too much to bare, I wasnt good enough living up to the 'recomended' hours, attendance, study...(insert your own oral/written law here). The only good thing is that to some it can push them so far that they begin to see it for what it really is.

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All races came from Adam???

by cyberdyne systems 101 in

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was it possible that we were taught that all races came from the same family?!

when i look back at that idea it seems very awkward and flawed.

i believe there was some mention of one of the early bible charactors as having darker skin - as though adam was a white man to begin with!

cyberdyne systems 101

Was it possible that we were taught that all races came from the same family?! When I look back at that idea it seems very awkward and flawed. I believe there was some mention of one of the early Bible charactors as having darker skin - as though Adam was a white man to begin with! Anybody else had thoughts about this?

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"i enjoyed your talk Brother"

by fleaman uk in

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i was musing about being a jw the other day.im not scarred by it like many,i dont hate anyone in my old cong..theres a couple of idiotic elders of course,but in the main my biggest thing when i think of my past life is the farsical nonsense of it all!.

meeting attendance,knocking on doors...oh dear.. one of the stupidest things was being required to do talks.i mean,come on who really used to listen to that drivel..i mean really listen?.

i was an ok speaker,nothing briliant,competent ..even gave a pub talk once when all the elders were on a jolly up at elders school.. it occurred to me how robotic bros and sis were when it came to giving praise!no matter how crap the talk was,one would always get a "i really enjoyed your talk brother".every time.without fail.i know they were being nice,i used to say it all the time too.my dad once said it to me and i asked him what he liked most about it?he admitted he didnt remember what it was even about.i dont remember in 30 years man and boy ever enjoying a talk.. yep,its a nonsense religion alright.full of braindead robots.. did anyone actually pay close attention and really enjoy the "food"from the platform?

cyberdyne systems 101

I can remember that if a certain brother had the last talk on the thursday evening meeting - I would groan inside knowing that at the time i would be tired enough and then to hear his droning comments would surely send me to sleep (probably would have been better if i did nod off). Not that my own talks were much, it was an area i particularly didnt like but felt obliged to do. I would often get that one 'i enjoyed your talk' from a particular elders wife, and yet be counciled for it by the school overseer, lol.

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